1 00:00:04,730 --> 00:00:02,690 I am George Knapp listening to that UFO 2 00:00:09,049 --> 00:00:04,740 podcast and having one hell of a good 3 00:00:13,730 --> 00:00:11,509 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 4 00:00:15,709 --> 00:00:13,740 podcast my name is Andy and I am 5 00:00:18,290 --> 00:00:15,719 delighted to welcome an internationally 6 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:18,300 acclaimed documentary maker who has been 7 00:00:23,269 --> 00:00:20,760 creating work on the UFO subject among 8 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:23,279 others for over 30 years making his 9 00:00:28,009 --> 00:00:25,380 triumphant return to the podcast Mr 10 00:00:29,929 --> 00:00:28,019 James Fox James welcome back thank you 11 00:00:32,030 --> 00:00:29,939 so much for your that wonderful intro 12 00:00:34,910 --> 00:00:32,040 and I've got the gray hair and wrinkles 13 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:34,920 to prove it well we're going to be 14 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:36,600 talking about Grays potentially but 15 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:39,239 maybe not that kind but no that's that 16 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:40,860 was a spurious link 17 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:42,360 um listen James let's get right into 18 00:00:45,830 --> 00:00:44,040 this because we were just discussing 19 00:00:47,450 --> 00:00:45,840 before I hit record that you're a 20 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:47,460 popular guest whether you like it or not 21 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:49,320 and I had a lot of people get in touch 22 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:51,539 with me so I know already I'm going to 23 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:53,579 disappoint a lot of folks that I can't 24 00:00:56,990 --> 00:00:55,620 get to their listener questions so I 25 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:57,000 want to try and get through as much as 26 00:01:01,729 --> 00:00:59,460 we can and first off I want to know how 27 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:01,739 did this entire project come about I'd 28 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:03,420 like to think you've got hundreds of 29 00:01:07,910 --> 00:01:05,519 cases and events in your head that you 30 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:07,920 want to do some kind of work on what was 31 00:01:12,469 --> 00:01:10,680 it that Virginia Brazil 1996 was the one 32 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:12,479 that came to the top 33 00:01:17,570 --> 00:01:14,460 so 34 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,580 they say life is what happens when 35 00:01:21,789 --> 00:01:20,159 you're busy making other plans 36 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:21,799 right 37 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:25,740 I was working on out of the blue 38 00:01:29,810 --> 00:01:27,720 in the late 90s 39 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:29,820 I just finished a documentary called 40 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:32,159 UFO's 50 years of denial which I sold 41 00:01:36,109 --> 00:01:34,200 the Discovery Channel to everyone's 42 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:36,119 amazement because everyone was like 43 00:01:39,950 --> 00:01:37,860 you're crazy to do what you're a 44 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:39,960 documentary on you if you know 45 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:43,380 and I'd I'd launched this new project 46 00:01:48,770 --> 00:01:44,759 out of the blue 47 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:48,780 and uh it was probably 1998 or 1999 48 00:01:56,690 --> 00:01:52,200 probably closer to 99. 49 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:56,700 I get a a fellow producer on the show uh 50 00:02:01,010 --> 00:01:58,380 that's gonna co-produce the film with me 51 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:01,020 his name is uh Tim Coleman he used to 52 00:02:07,130 --> 00:02:03,119 work at the BBC he's very smart guy 53 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:07,140 highly respectable and uh he starts 54 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:09,840 talking about this oh we need to look 55 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:12,360 into this UFO crash in Brazil in 56 00:02:16,130 --> 00:02:14,879 Virginia where this alien survived and 57 00:02:18,530 --> 00:02:16,140 they're walking through the town and I 58 00:02:21,470 --> 00:02:18,540 thought why on Earth did I just partner 59 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:21,480 with this dingbat like oh no what have I 60 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:24,060 got myself into and I dismissed it so 61 00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:24,900 quickly 62 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:28,020 like I tell people like I mean it 63 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:30,360 instantaneous like this is no way that 64 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:31,620 happened and there's no way I'm going to 65 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:35,040 look into it fast forward 66 00:02:43,369 --> 00:02:39,420 probably 11 years and it was 2010 or 67 00:02:46,369 --> 00:02:43,379 early 2011 and I was going to Brazil I 68 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:46,379 was invited to Brazil to speak uh 69 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:48,840 regarding a uh at a conference in Peru 70 00:02:52,729 --> 00:02:51,360 ebi regarding the film I did called I 71 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:52,739 know what I saw 72 00:02:58,670 --> 00:02:55,920 and um a friend of mine who's been 73 00:03:01,670 --> 00:02:58,680 quietly helping behind the scenes he's 74 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:01,680 quite popular in in um in the 75 00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:03,060 entertainment industry his name is Jeff 76 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:06,060 saganski and Jeff says oh my God you're 77 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:07,980 going to Brazil you got to look into the 78 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,620 Virginia case and I was like oh God you 79 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:12,959 mean that case where the UFO you know 80 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:15,180 and I said sure Jeff I'll look into it 81 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:17,040 for you click no intentions of looking 82 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:19,500 into it I got to Brazil I arrived at 83 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:20,940 this conference I gave a presentation 84 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:22,980 regarding my film and this effort that I 85 00:03:26,869 --> 00:03:25,440 did in 2007 with Leslie Kane at the 86 00:03:28,430 --> 00:03:26,879 national press club which I made a movie 87 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:28,440 about blah blah 88 00:03:32,089 --> 00:03:30,540 and at that conference I met a couple of 89 00:03:35,149 --> 00:03:32,099 witnesses and a couple of researchers 90 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:35,159 regarding this alleged UFO crash in 91 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:36,360 Virginia 92 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:41,220 and reluctantly I listened and I thought 93 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:43,860 hmm maybe there's more to this than I 94 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:45,120 than I thought 95 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:48,959 and so that was when the plead the the 96 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:50,879 sorry the seed was was was kind of 97 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:53,519 planted and then subsequently I'd been 98 00:03:59,149 --> 00:03:55,739 I've been there four times uh roughly a 99 00:04:02,630 --> 00:03:59,159 month each time uh starting in uh late 100 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:02,640 2011 or early 2012 and um 101 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:04,440 here we are all these years later with 102 00:04:08,890 --> 00:04:06,540 moment of contact and now of course I'm 103 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:08,900 thoroughly convinced that it did happen 104 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:12,180 and uh uh it's one of the most 105 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:14,760 significant events in my opinion 106 00:04:19,969 --> 00:04:17,280 uh since Roswell 107 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:19,979 now what I'm not going to do here is do 108 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:21,660 a full walkthrough of the documentary 109 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:23,400 piece by piece scene by scene because 110 00:04:27,050 --> 00:04:25,320 one you've went to a lot of effort to 111 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:27,060 make this over the course of many years 112 00:04:31,129 --> 00:04:29,220 and we want people to go out and get a 113 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:31,139 copy of it which they should and I've 114 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:32,940 also just done a full review if people 115 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:34,440 want that kind of walkthrough they can 116 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:36,540 listen to that however there are a few 117 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:38,580 parts of it I want to bring up and chat 118 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:41,040 with you about right at the beginning we 119 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:43,020 see a piece of information that on 120 00:04:48,770 --> 00:04:45,300 screen NORAD had alerted the Brazilians 121 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:48,780 in 1996 of a UFO entering their space 122 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:51,240 for me that seems something like that 123 00:04:55,129 --> 00:04:52,860 comes up and then isn't really touched 124 00:04:56,749 --> 00:04:55,139 on again was there something more to 125 00:04:58,430 --> 00:04:56,759 that or was there any more you can go 126 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:58,440 into and explain about the background of 127 00:05:03,290 --> 00:05:00,900 that well I debated putting that in 128 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:03,300 because it came from a Brazilian UFO 129 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:04,919 researcher who'd written a book we were 130 00:05:09,530 --> 00:05:07,440 in touch with and he was not willing he 131 00:05:12,110 --> 00:05:09,540 was very credible it was a good source 132 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:12,120 and he was not willing to reveal said 133 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:15,900 Source but I uh sent it out to a couple 134 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,000 of my contacts within the government in 135 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:20,220 the U.S government intelligence agencies 136 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:22,800 and I sent an early copy out and I said 137 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:26,520 does this seem accurate and we can't get 138 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:28,680 the source the guy that wrote the book 139 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:31,560 on it that mentioned this uh is was 140 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:34,320 unwilling to give reveal his Source but 141 00:05:38,930 --> 00:05:36,780 he was a credible researcher he was a 142 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:38,940 respected researcher and we trusted that 143 00:05:42,529 --> 00:05:40,800 he did have a source but I did due 144 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:42,539 diligence in the sense that I sent it 145 00:05:45,710 --> 00:05:44,160 out to a few people in intelligence the 146 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:45,720 United States and they didn't have a 147 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:48,479 problem with it at all so um in fact 148 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:52,020 they even talked somewhat about about a 149 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:54,060 little bit about the case which kind of 150 00:05:58,969 --> 00:05:55,680 surprised me 151 00:06:01,370 --> 00:05:58,979 um some of the the the the aspects of of 152 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:01,380 the beans their smell and that sort of 153 00:06:07,689 --> 00:06:04,860 thing so uh we we opted to to keep it in 154 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:07,699 and the Americans were involved we we 155 00:06:13,930 --> 00:06:11,759 you know every military even civilian 156 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:13,940 witness that we spoke to 157 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:16,800 had contact with with Americans from 158 00:06:21,170 --> 00:06:19,620 from some unknown government agency at 159 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:21,180 times he said it was NASA but nobody 160 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:22,259 really knew 161 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:24,060 so what's really interesting then and 162 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:25,680 I'm going to bring this up several times 163 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:28,380 as even though this event happened 26 164 00:06:31,370 --> 00:06:30,360 years ago now 165 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:31,380 um 166 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:33,360 it's still giving more and that would 167 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:35,340 then suggest to me that there could be 168 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:38,520 information or data that if you are a 169 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:40,380 member of Congress or someone within the 170 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:41,880 United States government with a big 171 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:43,500 interest in UFOs 172 00:06:47,809 --> 00:06:45,300 they might be watching a documentary 173 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:47,819 that's based on a Case 26 years ago but 174 00:06:51,529 --> 00:06:49,319 there's a chance that they could go and 175 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:51,539 pull up real data that was recorded 176 00:06:56,570 --> 00:06:54,660 potentially by by NORAD at the time that 177 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:56,580 may indicate something did enter the 178 00:07:00,490 --> 00:06:58,740 atmosphere or come from wherever do you 179 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:00,500 think that would be correct 180 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:03,120 I uh recently reached out to John 181 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:06,300 Greenwald who's got his PhD in foyer 182 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:10,500 request he does yeah yeah and so I'm I'm 183 00:07:15,230 --> 00:07:12,900 going to see if I can partner with him 184 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:15,240 on our efforts to find out what happened 185 00:07:20,210 --> 00:07:18,000 we just don't know what happened once 186 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:20,220 the according to the Brazilian military 187 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:22,680 and civilian Witnesses once the plane 188 00:07:26,689 --> 00:07:24,300 that flew in from the United States the 189 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:26,699 United States Air Force left this place 190 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:29,880 called Campinas uh espysex military base 191 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:32,160 uh where it went or what happened to the 192 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:34,919 the debris or alleged bodies we just we 193 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:36,360 don't know but that's something I'm 194 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:37,740 definitely digging into and I'm digging 195 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:40,740 into uh as of like next week you know 196 00:07:44,749 --> 00:07:42,599 two things one that's a great team up 197 00:07:46,909 --> 00:07:44,759 but also you are now killing me having 198 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:46,919 to one pronounce Virginia correctly and 199 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:48,539 you've brought the name campiness as 200 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:51,180 well so that's that's hard with a 201 00:07:55,129 --> 00:07:53,220 Scottish accent so apologies folks if I 202 00:07:56,330 --> 00:07:55,139 get any other was wrong okay I'm doing 203 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,340 my best 204 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:58,560 um we go to one of the most striking 205 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:00,240 moments of the film for me was uh we see 206 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:03,240 the three sisters valkyria Liliane and 207 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:06,240 Katya who were teenagers I think 14 16 208 00:08:14,749 --> 00:08:09,720 and 21. two sorry two sisters 209 00:08:18,409 --> 00:08:14,759 are valkyria 14 yet the time and liliani 210 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:18,419 16 at the time and their friend Katya 21 211 00:08:23,809 --> 00:08:22,020 at the time yeah so they saw what they 212 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:23,819 believed to be the the being who was 213 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:25,199 alive 214 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:27,660 um their testimony is fascinating I 215 00:08:30,589 --> 00:08:28,860 think you get a real sense of the 216 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,599 honesty and their voice there's no 217 00:08:33,949 --> 00:08:32,159 smirking there's no laughter they're 218 00:08:35,329 --> 00:08:33,959 talking about a pretty traumatic event 219 00:08:37,550 --> 00:08:35,339 for them 220 00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:37,560 um and what they're describing is a very 221 00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:39,599 real event that they witnessed and you 222 00:08:43,670 --> 00:08:41,520 mentioned on your Reddit AMA which I 223 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:43,680 suggest folks go and check out Reddit to 224 00:08:48,650 --> 00:08:46,560 see that that the beings fear when 225 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:48,660 described to you pained you 226 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:51,240 now a little bit long-winded but and the 227 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:53,100 review of the podcast I brought up that 228 00:08:56,449 --> 00:08:54,779 a listener who um her name's Susie 229 00:08:59,329 --> 00:08:56,459 Russell wanted me to discuss with you 230 00:09:02,150 --> 00:08:59,339 she feels there can be a real lack of 231 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:02,160 empathy portrayed by anyone who makes 232 00:09:07,009 --> 00:09:04,800 anything like this towards the beings 233 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:07,019 and it was interesting to see you talk 234 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:09,720 about that that pained you do you think 235 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:12,720 with you've got to be 236 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:14,580 you've got to be sympathetic to the 237 00:09:19,610 --> 00:09:17,279 plight of what are being stranded on an 238 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:19,620 alien not Alien Planet necessarily that 239 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:21,000 makes an assumption but an alien 240 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,260 environment somewhere they're not 241 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:24,959 supposed to be they are terrified and 242 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:26,760 how do you reflect on how beings are 243 00:09:32,630 --> 00:09:29,040 portrayed in a moment of contact but 244 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:32,640 then in wider UFO documentaries as well 245 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:36,240 well you know I've investigated cases 246 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:38,339 from around the world 247 00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:42,060 um it reminds me of an interview I did 248 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,060 with parvis Jafari who is an Iranian Air 249 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:47,760 Force pilot who had a very dramatic 250 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:51,120 encounter over Tehran Iran in 1976 in an 251 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:55,320 F4 Phantom jet and he uh had sort of 252 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:57,480 this cat and mouse with this UFO 253 00:10:01,850 --> 00:10:00,240 and he Lo he finally was able to kind of 254 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:01,860 get a lock on this thing and he was 255 00:10:05,329 --> 00:10:03,000 going to shoot it 256 00:10:07,730 --> 00:10:05,339 and um 257 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:07,740 his controls froze up 258 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:10,080 he started spiraling out of this guy he 259 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:11,700 said he was a second or two away from 260 00:10:17,210 --> 00:10:13,440 ejecting 261 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:17,220 um and later reflecting back on that 262 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:18,959 moment he said his biggest regret he 263 00:10:24,829 --> 00:10:21,060 said all this on camera was that he 264 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:24,839 didn't try to make peaceful contact why 265 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:27,300 did I just shoot first ask questions 266 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:28,320 later 267 00:10:35,269 --> 00:10:31,040 and that kind of 268 00:10:39,410 --> 00:10:35,279 disturbs me as a fellow citizen of the 269 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:39,420 earth that we take this hostile uh 270 00:10:44,509 --> 00:10:42,240 approach a position towards anything 271 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:44,519 unknown in our atmosphere or on the 272 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:48,360 ground and um so that's kind of why I I 273 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:52,800 felt sorry for the position according to 274 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:54,959 the eyewitness accounts of the civilians 275 00:10:59,750 --> 00:10:57,360 these beings creatures whatever you want 276 00:11:03,350 --> 00:10:59,760 to call them were scared they were 277 00:11:05,810 --> 00:11:03,360 feeble vulnerable and uh and and wanting 278 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:05,820 help according to them and that you 279 00:11:11,329 --> 00:11:07,560 can't help but feel 280 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:11,339 feel sad I mean imagine if it were true 281 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:13,800 and I'm convinced it is but if it were 282 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:16,200 true and you were in their shoes how you 283 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:18,240 would feel uh if you were being hunted 284 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:19,800 down and shot at 285 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:22,800 of all the the wetnesses you spoke to 286 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:24,480 and there's a great deal of testimony 287 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:27,120 very emotive powerful testimony and and 288 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:29,220 moment of contact it's what the the 289 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:31,620 strength of the documentary is what was 290 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:33,959 the most powerful for you to be to be 291 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:35,579 there in place speaking to the witness 292 00:11:41,930 --> 00:11:39,180 what really stood out military X 293 00:11:42,829 --> 00:11:41,940 for me why because I got to look him in 294 00:11:45,889 --> 00:11:42,839 the eyes 295 00:11:47,690 --> 00:11:45,899 I got to see the documentation I'd known 296 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:47,700 that he was a witness 297 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,140 for some time uh it's known that he he 298 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:54,959 was a witness since 1996. 299 00:12:00,949 --> 00:11:59,040 uh people in uh all the researchers and 300 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:00,959 and civilian people have been trying to 301 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:02,820 get him to come forward it was just a 302 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:04,860 stroke of luck right place right time 303 00:12:08,389 --> 00:12:07,200 very narrow window I got to look him in 304 00:12:10,009 --> 00:12:08,399 the eyes 305 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:10,019 and 306 00:12:16,009 --> 00:12:12,240 thank you 307 00:12:16,019 --> 00:12:18,290 um 308 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:21,829 the emotions and see the emotions of of 309 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:25,380 how this uh mission that he was involved 310 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:28,800 with has affected his life and how you 311 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:30,779 know we always think of wow that level 312 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:33,480 of validation that level of of uh 313 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:36,540 confirmation about these cases wouldn't 314 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:39,000 that be the best thing ever for us you 315 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:40,620 know the researchers and those of us who 316 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:43,260 have interest in this phenomenon but 317 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:46,079 quite honestly this 318 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:48,120 nearly destroyed his life 319 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:50,579 and is still to this day he's looking 320 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:53,040 over his shoulder he's paranoid he gets 321 00:12:57,949 --> 00:12:55,680 calls from the military uh and just 322 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:57,959 imagining that this this man 323 00:13:02,210 --> 00:13:00,720 drove this creature around you know 324 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,220 picked it up and he met at us Hospital 325 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:04,800 took it to as a military as a military 326 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:08,339 base then and then spice asked in 327 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,200 Campinas and then ultimately the 328 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:12,480 Americans coming in and taking this this 329 00:13:16,009 --> 00:13:15,000 these beans away 330 00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:16,019 um I don't know there was something 331 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:18,480 about hearing his testimony that just 332 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,060 made a really profound impression on 333 00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:23,760 both myself and my partner Marco ayal 334 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:26,040 that's really interesting I think most 335 00:13:30,889 --> 00:13:28,200 of the comments I've seen online tend to 336 00:13:32,329 --> 00:13:30,899 say Carlos when he's just when he goes 337 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:32,339 to the scene then you physically see him 338 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,260 cry and break down and drop his knees 339 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:36,000 and you know it was here it was here 340 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:38,040 that was a very powerful a moment very 341 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:39,240 raw 342 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:41,100 um so yeah interesting though because 343 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:42,660 you get that face to face does that 344 00:13:47,569 --> 00:13:43,740 always 345 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:47,579 you as a director when you're trying to 346 00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:49,500 get those across on camera how it feels 347 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:51,839 in the moment to to how it's going to 348 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:53,820 come across to someone watching you know 349 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,560 there wasn't a staged event in this 350 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:57,839 documentary it all unraveled the way it 351 00:14:04,850 --> 00:14:01,680 happened and I remember my my DP 352 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:04,860 um RDP uh David West and he was 353 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:07,500 constantly like slow down wait I got we 354 00:14:11,329 --> 00:14:08,940 got we don't have a movie if we don't 355 00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:11,339 capture this it's like Dave I can't hold 356 00:14:15,769 --> 00:14:13,620 back what things are happening in real 357 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:15,779 time and you know everybody's running 358 00:14:21,949 --> 00:14:19,560 and and uh but I felt that 359 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:21,959 that moment particularly because we were 360 00:14:25,550 --> 00:14:23,700 there for quite some time it had been 26 361 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:25,560 years since Carlos de Souza had been to 362 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:27,660 the crash site and we were there for 363 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:29,880 well over two hours thinking at some 364 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:31,320 point at one point that we were not 365 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:33,360 going to find it we just simply couldn't 366 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:36,480 find that location and uh so when we 367 00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:39,000 when we ultimately when we did 368 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:41,160 um it was quite a dramatic moment don't 369 00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:43,440 get me wrong I mean the the girls coming 370 00:14:47,329 --> 00:14:44,820 within 371 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:47,339 um eight to ten feet in broad daylight 372 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:50,880 three eyewitness accounts of this alive 373 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:53,519 being this creature that was sentiment 374 00:14:57,889 --> 00:14:56,339 sentient being that had feelings and 375 00:15:01,850 --> 00:14:57,899 emotions and 376 00:15:04,129 --> 00:15:01,860 uh that was very profound my God 377 00:15:05,629 --> 00:15:04,139 something about the military guy that uh 378 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:05,639 that saw this thing and drove it around 379 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:08,220 I don't know that really 380 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:11,399 struck a chord with me and during all my 381 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:15,240 you know 30 years of research I've I've 382 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:18,000 never heard any testimony like it 383 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:20,399 what I liked about it and 384 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:22,920 I think I noticed about 20 25 minutes 385 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:27,480 and was the lack of CGI Recreations I 386 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,339 think those can really take away from a 387 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:31,440 documentary and I appreciate that you 388 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:33,720 work to a budget and even the biggest 389 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:36,420 budgets can have rope here looking CGI 390 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:38,040 you know marvel in the last couple of 391 00:15:41,449 --> 00:15:39,480 years I've proved that that even the 392 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:41,459 biggest budgets can can really take you 393 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:43,560 out of the moment and you chose to go 394 00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:46,380 with some some artist impressions for 395 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:47,639 you know when you're looking at the 396 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:49,980 looking at the expanse of the grass and 397 00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:51,420 the hills and here's where the military 398 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:52,980 wear and here's apparently what happened 399 00:15:57,170 --> 00:15:55,500 with Carlos Carlos in describing the 400 00:15:59,449 --> 00:15:57,180 movement of the craft instead of you 401 00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,459 having some rope a cigar-shaped you know 402 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:02,399 CGI object flying across he uses a log 403 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:05,220 and just goes up and shows you 404 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,320 um and I like that first person you're 405 00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:09,420 the first person to notice that but I 406 00:16:14,990 --> 00:16:12,899 felt that it cheapens everything A and B 407 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:15,000 it's a huge budget which we didn't have 408 00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:17,760 anyway and it cheapens everything and 409 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,339 what I do is that illustrator was to say 410 00:16:23,689 --> 00:16:22,620 game illustrator in 1996 that did the 411 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:23,699 illustrations according to the 412 00:16:28,009 --> 00:16:25,980 eyewitness testimony and provided it to 413 00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:28,019 the news organizations in Brazil he's a 414 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,779 Brazilian guy and we used him to do the 415 00:16:34,850 --> 00:16:32,760 same thing and I cut myself out what 416 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:34,860 I'll do is I put the illustrator 417 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:36,540 directly in touch with the with the with 418 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,820 the witnesses the alleged Witnesses and 419 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:41,040 let them work it out and cut me out of 420 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:43,380 the process because that's the way you 421 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:45,779 get a more accurate depiction of of what 422 00:16:51,009 --> 00:16:48,240 they saw yeah no I like that so was that 423 00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,019 a conscious decision no seats 424 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:53,759 Graphics absolutely 425 00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:56,040 no I like that and I appreciated that 426 00:16:59,090 --> 00:16:57,720 and I get that's not to everyone's taste 427 00:17:00,769 --> 00:16:59,100 but I think it really can take you out 428 00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:00,779 of the moment I think when something is 429 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:03,720 so testimony based as well you've got to 430 00:17:07,490 --> 00:17:05,640 either go all in which is probably to 431 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:07,500 the tens of millions of dollars and even 432 00:17:10,909 --> 00:17:08,880 then you're not sure of the end product 433 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:10,919 or like I say I love the fact that 434 00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:12,540 Carlos with a log because that you can 435 00:17:15,409 --> 00:17:14,040 see that you can visualize it in your 436 00:17:18,289 --> 00:17:15,419 own head what that was going to be like 437 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:18,299 and it it takes you back to that moment 438 00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,760 um Marco shirazi you mentioned is the 439 00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:22,799 officer who allegedly apprehended the 440 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,140 the being after it ran out in front of 441 00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:27,839 his patrol car and he later died from 442 00:17:31,549 --> 00:17:29,940 from a strange disease believed to have 443 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:31,559 been coming from in contact with the 444 00:17:36,770 --> 00:17:33,660 being and there was talk of a strange 445 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:36,780 oily greasy like substance on its skin 446 00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:39,360 um an awful smell of sulfur or ammonia 447 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:41,160 they weren't entirely sure exactly what 448 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,780 it was but that was how it was described 449 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:45,600 and I just wonder in conversations over 450 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,980 the years that you have had with 451 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:48,960 individuals whether it be in government 452 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:51,780 sources or Witnesses how often do you 453 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:54,120 hear about individuals dying after are 454 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,980 coming into contact with a being or a 455 00:17:59,450 --> 00:17:57,960 craft never 456 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,460 was this the first 457 00:18:06,289 --> 00:18:02,340 absolutely I'd never heard anything like 458 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,299 it yeah never heard anything like it 459 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:08,880 look how many cases can you think of 460 00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:11,400 where you've got an alleged UFO crash 461 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,640 the beans survive 462 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:16,320 they're walking through a town in bread 463 00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,600 in broad daylight you get the military 464 00:18:23,289 --> 00:18:19,919 that 465 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:23,299 blocks off large swaths of the Town 466 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,220 threatens the media with jail if they 467 00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:28,559 ask any more questions 468 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:30,299 threaten the civilians who are just 469 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:32,580 trying to walk to get home in broad 470 00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:33,780 daylight 471 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:35,880 right this is not like at the middle of 472 00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:37,380 the night this was like three o'clock in 473 00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,820 the afternoon 474 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:40,559 you know then you get these you know 475 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:44,940 first-hand eyewitness accounts of these 476 00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,840 alien looking creatures basically I mean 477 00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:50,880 uh I 478 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:52,860 I've never heard anything like it I mean 479 00:19:00,770 --> 00:18:58,070 I mean it happened in the middle of the 480 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:00,780 desert this place this happened like on 481 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:03,600 the outskirts of a fairly large city you 482 00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:05,580 know and then the the encounters 483 00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:09,000 occurred in the city of Virginia 484 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:10,320 um 485 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:12,360 I've never heard anything like it 486 00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:14,039 I never heard anything like it and then 487 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,260 you know and you've got 488 00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:18,480 and look we went we went to the downtown 489 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:19,799 Square 490 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:23,220 of Virginia Brazil and put up signs for 491 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,080 an hour and a half two hours and we 492 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:26,640 couldn't believe how many people were 493 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,440 coming forward they had a small piece of 494 00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:30,720 the puzzle oh my cousin saw this or I 495 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:32,100 saw this UFO that looks like it was 496 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:34,020 looking for something or we saw the 497 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:36,120 military blockade we saw this you know 498 00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:39,660 it just all these pieces of the puzzle 499 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:41,580 and you put it all together 500 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,460 and you have what cannot be 501 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,320 I mean I can't imagine anything else 502 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:49,440 other than a UFO crashed 503 00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:53,160 some beans survived and were captured in 504 00:19:57,529 --> 00:19:55,320 the town of Virginia Brazil in January 505 00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:57,539 of 1996. 506 00:20:02,510 --> 00:19:59,700 let me ask because I mentioned this on 507 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,520 the review that the the very short 508 00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:04,320 moments we see of you standing with the 509 00:20:08,029 --> 00:20:06,059 signs which I love to again just that 510 00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:08,039 kind of cheap and nasty but it gets its 511 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:10,440 effective you're basically on the street 512 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:12,120 corners as bad as this might sound if 513 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:13,860 you've not seen it yet you know so 514 00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:16,760 that's a thing for for UFO for UFO news 515 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:18,840 I was checking the temperature of the 516 00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:20,520 town we had interviews already lined up 517 00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:22,020 I wanted to know what the what the 518 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,059 locals thought what was the ratio like 519 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,919 because what I said was and obviously 520 00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,600 you've got seconds to put into the 521 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:29,700 actual final product the the few kind of 522 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,340 Vox pops are moments that you used we're 523 00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:34,320 all very positive and about the case 524 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:36,660 what was the ratio of people actually 525 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,820 approaching you who had heard or wanted 526 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:41,280 to talk about it to to those who maybe 527 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,780 came up and said no nothing happened 528 00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,880 don't believe it 529 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,679 foreign 530 00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:48,960 I can't think of anyone that didn't 531 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:50,820 believe it I think the least we got was 532 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:53,760 I think it's possible 533 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,520 um but for the most part they everyone 534 00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,320 believed that something truly 535 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:00,660 inexplicable took place what exactly 536 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:02,940 that was they didn't know but there were 537 00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,640 too many stories swirling around about 538 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:07,620 the military presence people were like 539 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,480 look man the military doesn't military 540 00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:11,280 trucks don't drive through and do 541 00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:13,020 blockades in this town they've never 542 00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:14,520 happened before it's never happened 543 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:16,740 since clearly something extraordinary 544 00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:18,360 took place 545 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,900 um I would say 546 00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:24,480 20 to 30 percent of the people that we 547 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:28,740 spoke with uh had some indirect piece of 548 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:31,620 information director and indirect piece 549 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,260 of of fascinating uh you know uh 550 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,280 information 551 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,440 and let me refer to the the skeptical 552 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:39,059 who might be listening to this you know 553 00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:40,860 with that kind of raise raised eyebrow 554 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,320 I'm from Scotland as people who probably 555 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:46,799 tell by this point and Loch Ness is 556 00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:49,020 famous for Nessie you know Loch Ness 557 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:51,059 modern star stunning area it's beautiful 558 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,860 if anyone ever gets a chance to travel 559 00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,960 then it's worth it just for the viewers 560 00:21:59,630 --> 00:21:57,840 alone but that that area makes a healthy 561 00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,640 amount of money from tourism 562 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,620 what would you say to someone who says 563 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,419 to you well the the residents of 564 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,720 Virginia are are maybe milking what may 565 00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:08,580 have happened for that kind of tourist 566 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,100 dollar that may come in 567 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:13,320 well they've never had a museum I think 568 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:14,820 the museum is going to open for the 569 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:17,580 first time uh in in the next month or 570 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,500 two and 571 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,080 uh you know I mean look at Roswell I 572 00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,480 mean Roswell happened and of course 573 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,760 they're gonna you know advertise the 574 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,260 fact that it happened I mean why 575 00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,720 wouldn't they yeah um they've certainly 576 00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:32,520 embraced the story they're not hiding 577 00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:34,020 from it 578 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,419 um I mean it's either that or just 579 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,400 complete denial I mean I don't know I I 580 00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,020 probably want people to come to my town 581 00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:43,679 too I hard to say but I mean I can't I 582 00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:45,659 don't blame them I didn't see a lot of 583 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:47,880 promotion of you know 584 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:50,340 certainly when I was in Brazil in fact 585 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:52,500 most of the people the Brazilians prior 586 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,360 to this film coming out were somewhat 587 00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,980 skeptical I think the military did a 588 00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:57,600 pretty good job of shutting this whole 589 00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,740 thing down 590 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:00,419 um 591 00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,860 yeah I was hard to say look I know how 592 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:07,200 unbelievable this story is I'd be the 593 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:08,460 first one to tell you that I didn't 594 00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:10,440 believe it either and I was making a 595 00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,039 documentary on UFOs when it happened 596 00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,919 uh you know well my first one and I was 597 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,720 making my second film when I'd heard 598 00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:21,120 about it and uh and I just had a really 599 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:22,679 hard time imagining that something of 600 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,539 that magnitude could occur and the whole 601 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,820 world not know about it so this to the 602 00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,320 Skeptics out there I say I hear you loud 603 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,840 and clear I don't blame you one bit all 604 00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,460 I say is listen to the eyewitness 605 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:34,559 testimony in the town of Virginia listen 606 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,659 to the military listen to the civilians 607 00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,880 listen to the doctors 608 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:41,039 um and those reports and then draw your 609 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:42,900 own conclusions 610 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,480 what was the most difficult thing in 611 00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:48,840 filming this particular documentary 612 00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,080 convincing witnesses to come forward 613 00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:54,080 very very difficult 614 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,430 that some of the doctors years Cesario 615 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,320 the x-ray technician x-ray technician I 616 00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:06,240 think was eight years 617 00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,940 Marco Leal was going by his place 618 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:11,100 constantly met him and then he retired 619 00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:12,900 and then it still took several years 620 00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,299 after he retired and after he went on 621 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:16,559 the record 622 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:18,360 of course he had his back film he 623 00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,440 wouldn't want his face and we had to 624 00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:21,059 disguise his voice it was either that or 625 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,740 we weren't going to get him 626 00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,520 um 627 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,740 he said I would relieved he felt 628 00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:28,200 like a weight off his shoulders 629 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:28,740 um 630 00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,059 but 631 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:32,460 uh 632 00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,360 how fearful the Witnesses were 26 years 633 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,760 later that's what was so difficult about 634 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:41,640 it I kept thinking my God it's been 26 635 00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,020 years what the hell these guys worried 636 00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:45,179 about but they were 637 00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:48,059 you know and and um and and the the 638 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,520 people that were threatened at the time 639 00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:52,320 we're done so in a weird way it wasn't 640 00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:53,700 like Hey we're gonna you know you talk 641 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,840 about this we're gonna kill your whole 642 00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:56,400 family it was more eerie kind of than 643 00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,740 that it was like the consequences of 644 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,720 violating your security oath or 645 00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:03,000 something would be extremely severe or 646 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:04,500 things are going to if you talk about 647 00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,640 this things you're gonna get really 648 00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:08,159 weird for you uh you know those types of 649 00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,780 of threats 650 00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,760 um don't talk about this at all don't 651 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:14,159 mention us being here we never came you 652 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,220 never saw anything that kind of stuff 653 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,200 anyway yeah very strange I mean the 654 00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,360 whole thing is just 655 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:23,280 it's a crazy story 656 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,260 I mean look I've been investigating UFO 657 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,080 reports instances for the better part of 658 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,120 30 years I've never heard anything like 659 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,340 it and the nice thing about this case is 660 00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,520 that it's recent enough where the vast 661 00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:37,080 majority of eyewitnesses are still alive 662 00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:39,960 it was 1996. 663 00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,120 I'm glad you used that as your example 664 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:44,279 of what was difficult the the kind of 665 00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,020 the 26 years and why they're still 666 00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:48,240 fearful about talking something and it's 667 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,980 not blase it wasn't just yeah this 668 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,020 happened it was still emotive it was 669 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,760 still fearful I talked about the get it 670 00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,679 was from before you talk about you know 671 00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:57,299 military X you talk about Carlos 672 00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:59,159 desserts are breaking down 26 years 673 00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,559 after you know what is visiting a piece 674 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,539 of grass out in the middle of a of the 675 00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:05,880 hills but it's truly something that's 676 00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,100 left a mark on them and I wonder 677 00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,020 and it's very strange to see this as 678 00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:12,840 moment of contact's Legacy going to be 679 00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:16,140 what comes afterwards because it seems 680 00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:19,320 it's very it's very rare that the hype 681 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,419 seems to have started after the release 682 00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,159 which I'm sure is fantastic if you're a 683 00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:25,080 distributor or looking to try and make 684 00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,059 some of that money back but this wasn't 685 00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:28,559 something that was hyped beforehand 686 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,080 James in the way and now there seems to 687 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:33,900 have been a reaction afterwards and a 688 00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:37,020 bit of a Snowball Effect yeah 689 00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:38,760 um I knew that I made a calculated 690 00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:40,620 decision with the distributor because we 691 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:42,059 were waiting for some additional 692 00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:44,279 evidence to surface that we've got a 693 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,340 very solid lead on and I said look you 694 00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:50,400 know the films the film's done uh it's 695 00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,779 not about the film at this point it's 696 00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,820 about encouraging other eyewitness 697 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,220 testimony to come forward 698 00:27:00,490 --> 00:26:58,260 um and let's put the film out and and 699 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,500 cross our fingers that this this does 700 00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,600 start a movement of further transparency 701 00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:06,059 and further cooperation 702 00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,100 um both in Brazil in the United States 703 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:10,140 and that seems to be what's happening 704 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,460 right now 705 00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,860 and is that further Evidence we have to 706 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,559 talk about the video obviously because I 707 00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:18,720 hate to say you know my sources say and 708 00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,179 I never do it but I I've spoken to 709 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039 Brazilian researchers 710 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,720 in the last couple of days who tell me 711 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,120 that video is out there that video has 712 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,880 been has been seen by people and it's 713 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,679 it's going to come out and you've said 714 00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,080 yourself again on your Reddit EMA on 715 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,419 your Twitter you know very soon we're 716 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:39,000 going to see stuff coming out now you've 717 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,919 you've said yourself a financial stake 718 00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,140 of two hundred thousand dollars 719 00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:45,419 um which I addressed this on the review 720 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,159 as well that someone said that wasn't a 721 00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:49,200 lot of money for evidence and I said I 722 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,000 would suggest that the James's family 723 00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,320 would say that's a lot of money and 724 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,779 James himself would say 200 000 is a lot 725 00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:56,700 of cash to part with 726 00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,620 um you're a few hundred thousand dollars 727 00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,600 is a lot in the United States and it's 728 00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:03,179 five times that in Brazil well there are 729 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,679 people I don't even think would think 730 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:06,900 about that so that's a really good point 731 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,900 that video you must have a lot of faith 732 00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,000 and due diligence that that's going to 733 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:14,820 come out what sort of impact could this 734 00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,600 have on won the release but to The Wider 735 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,299 UFO subject 736 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:24,480 I I was contacted by 737 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:28,740 um a a pretty prominent news 738 00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,500 organization I think it was it was 739 00:28:35,289 --> 00:28:33,960 probably yesterday and 740 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:35,299 um they 741 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,520 cautioned me on because all I'm thinking 742 00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:39,900 quite honestly is I just want to get my 743 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:42,659 hands on it I've spoken to two people uh 744 00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:44,100 two people who've seen the videotaped 745 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,419 evidence and one person that's 746 00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:48,360 personally me personally okay and one 747 00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:49,500 person that's seen and I absolutely 748 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,179 believe that they did not come to me we 749 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,580 came to them we hunted them down and we 750 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,679 spent years and years doing it 751 00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,080 especially Marco Laos had boots on the 752 00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,840 ground for you know 15 to 753 00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,360 17 years 754 00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,559 um 755 00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,140 uh 756 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,360 this news organization contacted me and 757 00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:11,279 said look you know if you guys do manage 758 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:12,659 to get your hands on it you need to 759 00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,760 strategize on how how you're going to 760 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,679 release it to the world don't just put 761 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,200 it on you know YouTube it needs to be 762 00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:21,120 strategic you need to have a news 763 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,740 organization behind you that could do 764 00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:24,000 due diligence 765 00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:25,340 contact 766 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:27,500 the um 767 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,940 the source uh and so I promise that that 768 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,039 organization that that we would do that 769 00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:38,039 and we would be strategic on how we on 770 00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:40,020 how we did it I mean ultimately I would 771 00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,640 probably because I'd be borrowing the 772 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,980 money I have a guy who's poised to lend 773 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,299 it to me 774 00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,880 um and so I might maybe uh make a 775 00:29:51,649 --> 00:29:49,679 director's cut and and re-release the 776 00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,659 film and and also have a news 777 00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,340 organization reporting on it probably 778 00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,279 but again that that decision has yet yet 779 00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,260 to been made right now we're just 780 00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,320 focusing on getting our hands on it 781 00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:03,299 well like I say it's it's almost like 782 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,419 the what comes next could almost make 783 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,360 the the documentary The interlude to 784 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,640 this evidence because it suddenly 785 00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,679 becomes something that that the general 786 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:15,299 public who haven't seen moment of 787 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,620 contact or maybe don't have that 788 00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,140 interest in the UFO subject potentially 789 00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,659 seeing this 35 second video on whichever 790 00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:23,640 news organization or YouTube or Tick 791 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:26,520 Tock Channel wants to go with it then 792 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:28,200 all of a sudden moment of contact 793 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,840 becomes the the context behind this 794 00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:32,399 video piece doesn't it that people will 795 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,020 have to go and watch that and it's 796 00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,760 almost like you've created the folder 797 00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:37,620 and file for that little piece of 798 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,299 evidence at the end which is like I say 799 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,039 it's really interesting the the kind of 800 00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:43,200 Reverse Impact this is having which is 801 00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,940 which is really cool to see 802 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,279 on that I'd love to know that if members 803 00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:50,340 of Congress asked you to to brief them 804 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,919 in a classified setting on on moment of 805 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,260 contact is there any information that 806 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:57,360 you would or could share with them that 807 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,500 wasn't included in the final 808 00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:00,000 presentation that you feel would be 809 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,889 um so uh there were hearings 810 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:08,640 Congressional hearings for the first 811 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:11,580 time in what is it 50 60 years 812 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:12,840 uh 813 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,320 time a few people from the inside asked 814 00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:21,360 me where the film was in its current 815 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,380 state 816 00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:24,960 and could we make a couple of 817 00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,140 um screeners even if it's rough 818 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,860 four certain members and I said excuse 819 00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,380 me um I said yes and I did and 820 00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:37,020 apparently it made quite a splash I'm in 821 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:40,140 touch with some of those people now 822 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,980 it's uh it's kind of a tall order for 823 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:46,559 any elected official at this point to 824 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,799 start commenting on you know an alleged 825 00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:52,860 you know UFO crash in live beans I mean 826 00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,659 that's just a it's one of those cases 827 00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,919 where you have to say extraordinary 828 00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,720 claims require extraordinary evidence 829 00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,960 but I can assure you that that this case 830 00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:04,080 is on their minds and and having an 831 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,020 influence in the decision-making process 832 00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,059 uh and certainly a push for additional 833 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,700 look we want to know where it is and who 834 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,140 has the authority to release it I mean 835 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,840 that's the bottom line right we're 836 00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:18,000 pretty sure that it's there 837 00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,179 um we'd like to be more sure but uh but 838 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,539 this is certainly the impetus uh which 839 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,820 is encouraging 840 00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,860 both civilian and Military and 841 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,419 government officials to to dig a Little 842 00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440 Deeper 843 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,120 and do you think with that U.S 844 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,340 involvement in this case that is very 845 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,440 well known there would be people within 846 00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:39,360 the US government now who have even more 847 00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:42,059 of an interest in potentially following 848 00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:44,279 up those leads as to where beings may 849 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,899 have gone where bodies may have gone 850 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,240 where materials may have gone definitely 851 00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:50,820 definitely look I would love 852 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:53,640 if there's anyone in the U.S military uh 853 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,340 that was involved in this case uh please 854 00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,380 come I would love them to come forward I 855 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:00,240 would love Congress to make an 856 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,320 announcement that they're going to 857 00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:03,059 provide you know 858 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,899 um a blanket kind of uh what is it not 859 00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,100 anonymity 860 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:10,980 um immunity immunity from any kind of 861 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,740 prosecution for disclosing these kind of 862 00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,120 Secrets 863 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,980 um I would love to see that happen and I 864 00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,200 think that if that did happen it would 865 00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,440 be much more likely that we would get uh 866 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:24,299 you know American Witnesses uh to come 867 00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:25,440 forward 868 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,419 it's funny do you know what if that 869 00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,799 would be wonderful for you if you 870 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,299 suddenly had access to hold a Talking 871 00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,640 Heads uh to come out in front of camera 872 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,380 and speak about various different things 873 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:37,200 and what I found in reflection and 874 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,000 moment of contact I would love to see 875 00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:41,640 this as a type of Netflix series and I'm 876 00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:43,019 sure you would love Netflix to come to 877 00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:44,519 you and offer your ton of cash to make 878 00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,399 this kind of stuff but I would love to 879 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:49,860 see Virginia and other cases lined up 880 00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:52,740 next to each other in that 70 18 90 881 00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,740 minute format with a big budget and 882 00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:58,200 you're going out and finding Witnesses 883 00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,640 from all around the world and I would 884 00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:02,039 ask what if that did happen What would 885 00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:03,539 the next in the series be that would 886 00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,640 naturally follow on from Virginia for 887 00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:08,040 you I think that I would ultimately have 888 00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,800 a lot more control 889 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:11,940 maintaining my Independence my 890 00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:15,540 Independence as I am now and Licensing 891 00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,080 the end product directly to a platform 892 00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:21,960 like Netflix because once the executives 893 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:25,020 step in they seem to know best on on how 894 00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:26,580 these things are done and I had that 895 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:29,460 problem with the phenomenon like my film 896 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,280 The phenomenon and uh you know there 897 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,800 were Netflix almost bought it and in 898 00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:36,480 fact we couldn't sell it to them because 899 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:40,679 my distributor had accidentally uh sold 900 00:34:45,609 --> 00:34:43,320 non-exclusive broadcast rights rights to 901 00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:45,619 Discovery Channel and as a result 902 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,500 Netflix Netflix could not have an 903 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,119 exclusive which is what they want okay 904 00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:53,820 and um but I remember when we were in 905 00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:56,280 talks of edits they were saying oh yeah 906 00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:58,080 let's give a counter argument to what 907 00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,640 the girls saw in Rua Zimbabwe with 908 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,500 children saw and Ruiz Zimbabwe I was 909 00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:03,660 like well first of all I'm not really 910 00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:06,300 saying what they saw they're saying what 911 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,339 they saw and we're not concluding 912 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:10,619 anything so why would I do a counter 913 00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,820 argument to an argument that I haven't 914 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,619 even made 915 00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:15,660 all I'm doing is providing a neutral 916 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,560 platform so I remember thinking 917 00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,260 their exposure is great 918 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,359 but it comes at a price 919 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:26,400 and these Executives don't really have a 920 00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:28,200 clue what's going on in terms of the 921 00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:29,579 phenomenon 922 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,780 no and so I'm inclined to maintain a 923 00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,420 very independent platform such as my own 924 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:38,640 which is I've been doing for nearly 30 925 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:42,060 years and uh and and and going after it 926 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,240 and what I'm inclined to do next is to 927 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,300 walk the halls of Congress 928 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,060 um and uh 929 00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,300 determine what is now known Within These 930 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:56,839 government agencies the old task force 931 00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,820 uh and where this evidence that we've 932 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,160 all heard about it's been confirmed to 933 00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,500 me by the former Senate majority leader 934 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:06,780 who was third and second in line to be 935 00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,440 president uh Senator Harry Reid is that 936 00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,599 the house sorry but anyway one of the 937 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,579 most powerful men in Washington at the 938 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,040 time and that Senator Harry Reid who was 939 00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,440 the Senate Majority Leader that uh that 940 00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:21,000 what's been released is only the tip of 941 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,680 the iceberg 942 00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:24,960 now just before we get to some listener 943 00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:28,200 questions James I want to sort of steal 944 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,880 the end part talking about a different 945 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:31,260 type of footage because we're going to 946 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,700 go back to a moment of contact in a 947 00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,619 second but something else you're sort of 948 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,300 synonymous with is talking about the 949 00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:38,640 Chuck Clark footage and for those that 950 00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,900 aren't aware and I'm going to probably 951 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,640 bastardize this 952 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,960 um actually do you mind very quickly 953 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,640 James talking about what the Chuck Clark 954 00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:46,079 footage is in your own words because 955 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:47,460 you'll describe it better than I will 956 00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:49,880 how much time do I have 957 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,400 uh try and surmise it so we can get to 958 00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,900 listen our questions but it's it's 959 00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,520 fascinating and this is it was actually 960 00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:58,320 the first time I ever heard you speak 961 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,560 was uh on Hubbard Hughes unexplained 962 00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:03,960 years ago talking about this piece of 963 00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,540 footage and I was just like fascinated 964 00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,359 well so I'll quickly say I was doing my 965 00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:11,640 first documentary on UFOs 50 years of 966 00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:15,660 denial I covered uh Area 51 was very 967 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:18,839 popular at the time it was the early 90s 968 00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,000 93 94 mid 90s 95 and I was interviewing 969 00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:27,119 a gentleman named Chuck Clark who had a 970 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,820 a double wide he was a amateur 971 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,160 astronomer a former military guy he had 972 00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,200 a trailer a nice very nice trailer that 973 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,780 was that was parked in um Rachel Nevada 974 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,640 which is that little town where the 975 00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,520 alien Inn is on on the Extraterrestrial 976 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:43,800 highway just outside the alleged you 977 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,680 know the so-called Area 51 and I was 978 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,240 interviewing him about a sighting that 979 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,940 he'd had and it was quite fascinating 980 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:52,380 um and so I was kind of going back and 981 00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:54,900 forth with him over I don't know a year 982 00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:56,579 year and a half whatever it was during 983 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,240 production becoming friends and he was 984 00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,380 knew all these different Vantage points 985 00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,700 that you could hike up to and look down 986 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,079 at the base I think all those Vantage 987 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,200 points are gone now and um one day 988 00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,839 called me and he and oh give me one 989 00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,160 minute 990 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,920 he called me out of the blue and he said 991 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,880 uh 992 00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,280 hey James I got something to I got I got 993 00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,020 something to show you and I was like 994 00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:21,300 well what's going on Chuck he goes well 995 00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:23,099 I was like what is it you know he goes 996 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:24,599 and I was 997 00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,140 10 11 hours away from from him by car 998 00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,060 and uh he says well let's put it this 999 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,160 way when you see it your jaw is going to 1000 00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,599 hit the floor 1001 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,540 I said I'm on my way I canceled all my 1002 00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,460 things jumped in my car drove straight 1003 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,400 out to uh Rachel Nevada 1004 00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:43,200 went into his trailer 1005 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:46,920 popped this VHS tape in and uh there are 1006 00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,540 two guys on a road trip from like Los 1007 00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:53,400 Angeles to the little alien because 1008 00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:55,380 remember Area 51 was very popular Bob 1009 00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:57,000 Lazard come out a couple years earlier 1010 00:39:03,170 --> 00:38:59,220 yada yada 1011 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,180 and uh they were just like goofing off 1012 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,760 had music in the car looked at the 1013 00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:08,040 Extraterrestrial road sign went to 1014 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:09,780 little alien they're posing next to the 1015 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,940 aliens the photographs blah blah blah 1016 00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,579 just the typical road trip you'd expect 1017 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,040 a couple of youngsters to do during that 1018 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:19,380 time you know and all of a sudden the 1019 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,940 cars parked 1020 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,280 the camera looks like it's kind of like 1021 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,040 cockeyed sitting on the armrest and you 1022 00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,680 could see like the dashboard the the 1023 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,940 windscreen 1024 00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,920 the knob controls for the heater 1025 00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:33,780 probably a part of the steering wheel 1026 00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,359 and and like I said it's slightly it's 1027 00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,180 not level it's like a little bit 1028 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,099 and then and the two guys in that car 1029 00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,480 sounded like they were trying to crawl 1030 00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:43,980 under the seats that's what it sounded 1031 00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:46,380 like I couldn't see them and they're 1032 00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:47,579 screaming back and forth to each other 1033 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,079 it's over the top of us it's over the 1034 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,839 top of us get down get down get down and 1035 00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:53,760 all of a sudden like the inside of this 1036 00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,380 car and it was dusk 1037 00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:57,839 the inside of this car lights up like a 1038 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:00,839 Steven Spielberg movie with a light like 1039 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,140 source and if this is the car 1040 00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,960 the light source is above it 1041 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,599 and it's moving in a very fluid fashion 1042 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:11,880 and the way I knew that is because the 1043 00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:13,980 Shadows on the inside of the car were 1044 00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,720 eerily moving right you've never seen 1045 00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:18,420 anything like it okay you've never seen 1046 00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:22,020 Shadows on the inside of a car moving in 1047 00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:24,060 the way this was because the only way 1048 00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:26,040 that could have happened is that if the 1049 00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,660 light source was on a pendulum very 1050 00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:30,240 smooth kind of doing this and it wasn't 1051 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:31,800 I wouldn't say it was directly back and 1052 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:33,300 forth it was kind of more of a wobble 1053 00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,880 but smooth no erratic jerkiness smooth 1054 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:41,040 get down get down it's over the top of 1055 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,660 us get down the lights lighting up on 1056 00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:44,220 the dashboard and then you know I'm 1057 00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,480 giving you the short version and then 1058 00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:47,579 one of the apparently the younger guy 1059 00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,099 who was 19 he jumps out of the car he 1060 00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,839 says I'm getting out of the car and he 1061 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:53,220 grabs the camera and the guy's like stay 1062 00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,420 in the car stay in the car he didn't 1063 00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:57,359 listen he got out and then he's rolling 1064 00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:58,859 camera 1065 00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,740 and uh you could see like the desert a 1066 00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:03,359 little bit at first I mean it's not like 1067 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:06,420 pitch black it was like dusk and I would 1068 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,660 say 1069 00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:11,400 maybe the height of a telephone pole 1070 00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,240 maybe a little higher was this 1071 00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:19,200 perfect or yellow orange 1072 00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,460 disc 1073 00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,400 Carlos Diaz the closest thing I've ever 1074 00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,720 seen to it is the Carlos Diaz 1075 00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:26,940 photographs you know and it's like a 1076 00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:29,579 disc and it looks like a pie sorry I'm 1077 00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,839 looking for something that's around me 1078 00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:32,820 it looks like a pie and it looks like 1079 00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,640 like like somebody took a perfect knife 1080 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,140 and cut 1081 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:38,880 pieces out of the pie but didn't remove 1082 00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,720 the pie and those seams were darker like 1083 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,400 there wasn't as much light emitting from 1084 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,380 those seams so you couldn't see them and 1085 00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:48,060 it was just rocking 1086 00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:50,579 like it was kind of just floating you'd 1087 00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:52,500 never I've never seen anything like it 1088 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:55,500 ever before since nothing and it was 1089 00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:57,480 just kind of rocking there kind of kind 1090 00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,740 of like this 1091 00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,020 and uh probably could have hit it with a 1092 00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:03,960 rock probably and uh and the cameraman 1093 00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,380 goes oh my God like that 1094 00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,720 you know and then 1095 00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:11,280 he might have said something about the 1096 00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,900 battery or something but then 1097 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,060 the camera shut off and that was it I 1098 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:16,800 looked over at Chuck Clark and I was 1099 00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:25,550 holy believe where did you get this 1100 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,950 20 years to get it 15 20 years and then 1101 00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:35,820 he finally 1102 00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,410 you finally told me he didn't even have 1103 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,240 it anymore which I didn't believe 1104 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:44,160 but I found out about a year or two ago 1105 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,720 that he does still have it and he showed 1106 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,160 it to two people and it's pretty 1107 00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:49,380 degraded at this point the VHS tape is 1108 00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:52,440 it's been on VHS and the cameraman who 1109 00:43:02,329 --> 00:42:56,940 shot it has ju sorry the cameraman 1110 00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:02,339 who was at a news station who made a VHS 1111 00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,220 copy from the master 1112 00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:07,500 has just died 1113 00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:11,160 like last year or something because if I 1114 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,540 could if I could have gotten to him 1115 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,680 sooner 1116 00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:15,000 he would have been still alive and I 1117 00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:16,619 could have he probably had he worked at 1118 00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,619 a news organization in LA and I'm sure 1119 00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:21,180 that he had a master on beta or 1120 00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,859 something of course we've contacted him 1121 00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:24,480 and has tried to reach out to his son 1122 00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,780 whatever but but Chuck Clark still has a 1123 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,460 copy it's on VHS and it's pretty 1124 00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,619 degraded now you know as you'd expect 1125 00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,079 for I don't know what let's just say it 1126 00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,380 was 94 95 what was how many years 27 1127 00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,900 years yeah yeah so 27 years on a VHS 1128 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,099 tape 1129 00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:43,380 you know what I mean and does Chuck not 1130 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,940 have an interest in two hundred thousand 1131 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,040 dollars 1132 00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:49,380 I I wouldn't pay 200 000 for that 1133 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,780 degraded tape at this point no Chuck 1134 00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:52,980 doesn't have an interest in any amount 1135 00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,220 of money no no I offer them 35 000 from 1136 00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,140 when I sold out of the blue to NBC 1137 00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,359 Universal and that's when he said he'll 1138 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:01,920 never talk to me again 1139 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,520 that was probably like 2003 or something 1140 00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,640 I wonder though if he's showing 1141 00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,440 I mean who would you surmise he's 1142 00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,420 showing this to you know these sources 1143 00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,700 who he showed it too okay and is it 1144 00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,440 people that I'd be happy to hear he's 1145 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,359 showing it to or is he just showing them 1146 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,520 exactly it was one of them gladly sure 1147 00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,800 yeah happily I don't want to release his 1148 00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,240 name here but send me an email and I'll 1149 00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,480 put in touch with him no that's fine I 1150 00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:29,280 might already know them I might not um 1151 00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:30,660 that would be but yeah that'd be 1152 00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:31,859 interesting to speak to because if 1153 00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,020 someone like that has has a tape and 1154 00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:36,240 even as degraded as it might be now at 1155 00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,099 this point that's still something people 1156 00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:40,440 would like to see and I'm sure I'd love 1157 00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,780 to see it out I'd love to see it out I'd 1158 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:44,099 love to I've been talking about it long 1159 00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:45,900 enough and I don't care anymore like I 1160 00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,819 just I think I gave up Karen about a 1161 00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,960 couple years ago I was like you know 1162 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,400 what I don't care 1163 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,260 Chuck I don't know why Chuck I said to 1164 00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,480 Chuck like just put me in touch with the 1165 00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,119 guys that shot it and let me talk to 1166 00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,640 them that's it and he wouldn't do it I 1167 00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:01,079 don't know why or maybe he tried and he 1168 00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:02,700 wouldn't he never told me he tried he 1169 00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:05,400 wouldn't do it are they still alive I 1170 00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,270 interesting I mean I would imagine they 1171 00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,380 would be Apparently one of the kids was 1172 00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:15,780 you know 19 and the other guy was like 1173 00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,609 okay 1174 00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:23,880 that's one that was really frustrating 1175 00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,040 but fascinating things in in the world 1176 00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:28,200 UFOs I'm just like if only I could see 1177 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:31,020 that that would be that would be good 1178 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:34,140 um I saw it with these eyes Okay me I 1179 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:37,380 saw it I was wow I I just remember 1180 00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,040 thinking that's why that's why so many 1181 00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:44,400 people are at a lack they can't find the 1182 00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:45,780 words in the English language to 1183 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:48,180 describe that magic the way it floats 1184 00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:50,760 yeah it wobbled and floated 1185 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,220 you know and it looked alive 1186 00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:55,560 like the skin was just glowing alive 1187 00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,480 like phosphorus or something like it was 1188 00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,790 like a jellyfish or something like a 1189 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:03,780 live but it was a structured object it 1190 00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:05,880 wasn't just like a ball of light yeah it 1191 00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:08,579 was a disc it was the best footage 1192 00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,200 look man 1193 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,060 it's I've never seen anything like it 1194 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:14,460 since that's something that was released 1195 00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,780 in the Pentagon looks like garbage 1196 00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,940 compared to this yeah 1197 00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,800 that's that's that's the interesting 1198 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,119 stuff and I'm sure they've got some good 1199 00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,560 stuff in the Pentagon as well still 1200 00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:24,480 listen James thank you for sharing that 1201 00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:25,740 let's get to some of these listener 1202 00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:27,180 questions to wrap up 1203 00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:28,920 um because I had a lot of them sent in 1204 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,079 and we'll fire through what we can the 1205 00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:34,260 question first off from Newman uh Newman 1206 00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,880 sends in a lot of questions and he asks 1207 00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,619 within the recent years different 1208 00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:39,660 explanations for the encounters with 1209 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,300 alien beings have been proposed Ultra 1210 00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,700 terrestrial and extra 10 pastry models 1211 00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,280 became very popular both state that 1212 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,200 encountered being simply originate from 1213 00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,020 our planet from your research is there 1214 00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,760 any evidence to support that the being 1215 00:46:58,809 --> 00:46:55,800 which was encountered in Virginia could 1216 00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:58,819 have been anything from this Earth 1217 00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,970 do you have a gut feeling I know you 1218 00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:07,140 said you don't I don't have a gut 1219 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,859 feeling I just don't I wish I did I 1220 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,960 could ramble something off but I just I 1221 00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:15,000 I just have no idea 1222 00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:16,500 you know and people are like yeah you 1223 00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,880 know you're saying it's extraterrestrial 1224 00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:19,740 no I'm not 1225 00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,500 I really don't know I mean they had a SP 1226 00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:25,140 they probably had a spacecraft that had 1227 00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:26,760 a gash on the side of it which leads me 1228 00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,859 to think that they came from somewhere 1229 00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,260 you know I mean if there wasn't that 1230 00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:33,780 link between the the entities and the 1231 00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,660 and the crashed ship the cigar shaped 1232 00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:39,240 UFO I might be more inclined to think 1233 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,440 that it was something maybe underground 1234 00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,000 here in the United States in in the 1235 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,280 world but there is that aspect of it 1236 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,140 according to the eyewitness testimony 1237 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,960 there was a craft that crashed 1238 00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:51,240 um but I just don't know I I wish I 1239 00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,859 could tell your your audience that I 1240 00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,720 knew I just don't I don't have any like 1241 00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,460 I I don't know 1242 00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:58,680 I'm sorry to be such a disappointment on 1243 00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,740 that one but I've got a clue no it's a 1244 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,540 fair place to be in and I I'm happy to 1245 00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:05,040 sit on the fence when I have to as well 1246 00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,319 I don't mind speculating but like you 1247 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,480 say in your role like when that 1248 00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,760 executive told you to provide a counter 1249 00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:14,220 argument for the you know the the aerial 1250 00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,960 skill stuff you're like girl there's no 1251 00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,760 counter argument to be made I'm 1252 00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,859 presenting what they saw so there's no 1253 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,480 point in trying to present something 1254 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,000 that isn't there yeah and I wasn't there 1255 00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:25,980 I didn't see it 1256 00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:29,579 oh wow my opinion is irrelevant I put I 1257 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,520 put the the I put the witnesses the 1258 00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,280 first hand Witnesses in the movie and 1259 00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:36,720 I'm allowing the audience to draw their 1260 00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:40,440 own conclusions I have no conclusions I 1261 00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,359 don't know 1262 00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:44,160 I'd like to know 1263 00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:50,589 I would follow up with that with bodies 1264 00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:53,339 that is absolutely fine a follow-up from 1265 00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,099 Barry he's not excuse me right now well 1266 00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,619 I I wonder actually Barry's question I'm 1267 00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,880 going to have to reward slightly because 1268 00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,260 you're going to say I don't know but 1269 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:03,359 Barry asks where are the creatures that 1270 00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,180 escaped cargo or pilots in your opinion 1271 00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:07,680 and if you don't want to share maybe 1272 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,140 your opinion or speculation was there 1273 00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,780 any sense from the community that these 1274 00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,119 beings were piloting where they will 1275 00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:17,040 they cargo 1276 00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,280 it's funny you should say that because I 1277 00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:22,740 might have cut this part out 1278 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,260 but there was an interview I did 1279 00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,140 with Stanton Friedman bless his heart 1280 00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,940 love that guy 1281 00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,800 and he said that the evidence lean 1282 00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,839 leaned in the direction of cargo as 1283 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:35,400 opposed to Pilots 1284 00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:37,740 why he said that was anyone's guess but 1285 00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,200 that's what Stanton Friedman said on 1286 00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,780 camera to me in Brazil 1287 00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:44,579 and for anyone who's not sure what we 1288 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:46,920 mean by cargo or just my dodgy 1289 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:49,380 pronunciation of the word cargo we're 1290 00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:51,480 talking about these your car goes as 1291 00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:53,460 opposed to doesn't go right yes actually 1292 00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,339 yeah yeah like those pure traps that get 1293 00:50:01,089 --> 00:49:57,839 caught by the UFO and Chuck Clark's 1294 00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,099 footage with our car just would not go 1295 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,540 you're talking about these beings or 1296 00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,240 potentially maybe prisoners or basically 1297 00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,339 you know being being carried from one 1298 00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:10,079 place to another by something else who 1299 00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:11,640 knows but there's always that 1300 00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,260 possibility you just automatically 1301 00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,839 assume beings on a craft were piloting 1302 00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,000 it but that's an assumption there's no 1303 00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:20,880 proof in any case if that's the case 1304 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,220 yeah I mean uh 1305 00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:26,400 I've heard a Brazilian researcher who 1306 00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,119 said that he his theory was that they 1307 00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:32,460 were biologically engineered 1308 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,780 uh to uh perform certain tasks like a 1309 00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:37,920 drone would 1310 00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:41,280 uh uh but again I I have no evidence of 1311 00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:42,540 that 1312 00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:46,520 popular opinion more more so these days 1313 00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,859 uh question from Joe Joe asks what was 1314 00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,960 John Maxwell and investigating the 1315 00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:54,240 Virginia incident did he produce any 1316 00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,220 research notes or other documentation 1317 00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:58,160 that could be published 1318 00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:01,740 unfortunately none that I know of it was 1319 00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:03,240 interesting too because I was 1320 00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,579 investigating the 1994 Rua Zimbabwe a 1321 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,380 landing case Close Encounters of the 1322 00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:13,920 Third Kind and within two weeks 1323 00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,920 Dr John Mack of Harvard showed up with a 1324 00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,440 camera crew uh with the support of 1325 00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:21,359 Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller at the 1326 00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,900 time and documented roughly 66 kids 1327 00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:26,400 although there were a hundred I'm told 1328 00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:28,020 in the in the in the playground at the 1329 00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,800 time documented 66 kids on camera 1330 00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:34,559 um and I was in touch with Lawrence 1331 00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:37,800 Spellman rockefeller's daughter and she 1332 00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,240 said to me that she was rather 1333 00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:41,880 disappointed that Dr John Mack didn't 1334 00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:44,099 really do ultimately anything with that 1335 00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:46,440 those interviews now I informed her that 1336 00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,079 Dr John Mack was deceased that he was 1337 00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:50,720 struck down and she did not know that 1338 00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:53,579 whether or not that would have been and 1339 00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,800 then of course when I'm in Virginia and 1340 00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:57,960 I come across these taped interviews 1341 00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,180 which we include in the film of Dr John 1342 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,099 Mack right after the incident happened 1343 00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:05,040 the girls I mean weeks maybe a month I 1344 00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:07,559 don't know but very recent uh 1345 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,780 documenting that and I don't not as far 1346 00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:12,000 as I know I don't know of anything that 1347 00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,619 was done with those either 1348 00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:16,619 thanks uh question from Tim Tim asks 1349 00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,900 there is a quite recent released or it 1350 00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,640 would appear that way video clip in 1351 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,099 Portuguese of a gentleman holding a file 1352 00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,440 folder containing x-rays that bear 1353 00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:27,119 resemblance to the event you're so 1354 00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,579 heavily investigated have you seen these 1355 00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,559 and can you state if the man in his 1356 00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,420 materials might be genuine 1357 00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,760 so the the doctor that we spoke to the 1358 00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:38,160 x-ray technician said that was the first 1359 00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:40,980 time in his career that he was unable to 1360 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,020 even verify that the photographs the 1361 00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,300 x-rays came out so he never had his 1362 00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:47,339 hands on those so if those were released 1363 00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:49,020 by an x-ray technician I don't know who 1364 00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:51,260 that would be 1365 00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,700 I just met with that x-ray technician 1366 00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:55,980 last year and he never even got to see 1367 00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,940 them 1368 00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,980 thanks for cleaning that one up 1369 00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:01,020 um question from Ryan Terry asks has 1370 00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,460 anyone reached out to you from the US 1371 00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:04,500 regarding what happened once the being 1372 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,859 was taken by the US military no I'm 1373 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,540 waiting for that 1374 00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:11,040 but that's one that you want to get into 1375 00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:12,319 the halls of Congress and government 1376 00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:16,200 speak to some people dying to know dying 1377 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,460 to know 1378 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,680 where it went in fact I feel like uh you 1379 00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,839 know we'll go after it believe me I'll 1380 00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:23,280 go after it 1381 00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:26,700 uh James asks your namesake James said 1382 00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:28,980 in a previous podcast that quote unquote 1383 00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,500 they walk among us can you elaborate 1384 00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,240 more on this and what do you think the 1385 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,940 implications of that are 1386 00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:37,680 James would never say something like 1387 00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,660 that 1388 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:41,400 it's James Inception now starting to get 1389 00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:42,440 a sore head 1390 00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:45,960 uh so I was quoting a meeting that I had 1391 00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:48,059 with a guy I didn't say I believed that 1392 00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:49,559 or I didn't believe it but I met with 1393 00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:52,859 with Bob Bigelow yeah who famously did 1394 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:55,460 that on Australia 60 Minutes wasn't it 1395 00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:58,020 yeah I think he will he was on 60 1396 00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:59,700 Minutes here in the United States I 1397 00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,020 don't know if he used the exact term 1398 00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:02,640 they're walking among us but I think he 1399 00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:03,900 might have said they're here but in any 1400 00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,099 case 1401 00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,220 um that's what Robert Bigelow told me 1402 00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,260 I'm not saying and I'm so funny because 1403 00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,599 I I was recounting that meeting I had 1404 00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:14,160 with Robert Bigelow I think it was like 1405 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,780 2009 maybe 2010 but probably 2009 I 1406 00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:20,160 could look up the dates but in any case 1407 00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:22,500 he said that 1408 00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,300 you know talked about the impact this 1409 00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,480 story would have on Humanity on religion 1410 00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,780 on the economy uh being quite 1411 00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:32,760 significant and then he said you know 1412 00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:35,700 that they're walking Among Us and um you 1413 00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:38,280 know I I'm not saying I believe that at 1414 00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:39,059 all 1415 00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,920 um is it possible 1416 00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,420 I'd be the first one to tell you that 1417 00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:44,339 every time I've completely dismissed the 1418 00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:47,160 case uh case in point Rua case in point 1419 00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,940 Virginia uh I've been wrong and so uh 1420 00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:53,160 you know the jury still I have seen zero 1421 00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:56,099 evidence to support that theory but I'm 1422 00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:59,400 open to reviewing any evidence but I 1423 00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,780 don't believe they're walking Among Us 1424 00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,400 that's what I heard from someone that 1425 00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,460 would appear to be in a position to know 1426 00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:07,440 and final question about more 1427 00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:09,660 philosophical a question from Timothy 1428 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,420 can James share personal Insight on how 1429 00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:14,880 better understanding the phenomenon has 1430 00:55:18,839 --> 00:55:24,530 foreign 1431 00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,089 it's quite humbling 1432 00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,040 I feel at times like 1433 00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:31,980 um pretty insignificant not 1434 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:35,819 in a negative way but um I feel like I'm 1435 00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,720 surrounded by this possibly this 1436 00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:41,220 omnipresent 1437 00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,140 intelligence 1438 00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,900 that uh 1439 00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,720 has the ability to kind of 1440 00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:49,440 um 1441 00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,900 uh nuts and bolts but also sidekick uh 1442 00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:57,119 uh it can manifest itself in so many 1443 00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,300 different ways and shapes and forms 1444 00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:02,220 um 1445 00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:08,760 it makes me feel like you know 1446 00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,220 this universe is so huge and there's so 1447 00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:13,740 much going on and we're just one tiny 1448 00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,900 little piece of it I feel kind of like a 1449 00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:18,000 granule of sand but 1450 00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,940 hey I love the exploration I love asking 1451 00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,079 questions 1452 00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,079 I'm Coming to Terms at my age of 54 that 1453 00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,400 I'm probably not going to get a lot of 1454 00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,920 answers ultimately other than clearly 1455 00:56:32,990 --> 00:56:30,780 the phenomenon is real and it's Global 1456 00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:33,000 and that the world governments know it's 1457 00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,160 real and that they're probably concerned 1458 00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,140 about revealing what they know 1459 00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:38,400 because it's going to open up a 1460 00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,960 floodgated questions revealing their 1461 00:56:43,309 --> 00:56:41,280 vulnerabilities and all the things that 1462 00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:43,319 they don't know 1463 00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,760 um but I'm going to keep asking 1464 00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:47,160 questions and keep digging and you know 1465 00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:50,819 I enjoy very much what I do 1466 00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,740 it's humbling 1467 00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:54,720 I think that comes across in your work 1468 00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,460 you enjoy what you do and you've got a 1469 00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,839 little boy that you have to leave for 1470 00:57:01,250 --> 00:56:59,760 for length or period at a time don't you 1471 00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,260 to go and do that and that must be very 1472 00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:03,359 hard and I can say that as a father and 1473 00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,920 I've got you on Facebook and I can see 1474 00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:06,480 those interactions you have and how much 1475 00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,760 that means to you so it must mean a lot 1476 00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:10,680 for you to take yourself away to do that 1477 00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:12,800 to then go back to go back to you 1478 00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,440 hearing my son when I'm abroad you know 1479 00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:18,720 running like scared for my life at times 1480 00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:20,520 not that often but there have been a 1481 00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,660 handful of times where I was pretty 1482 00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:24,180 freaked out uh hearing him tell me Daddy 1483 00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,859 how much I miss you it's just it's 1484 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,319 really difficult yeah really difficult 1485 00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,480 like I'd probably still be in Virginia 1486 00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,119 right now if I wasn't a dad because we 1487 00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:35,520 got so close when we were there we were 1488 00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,260 getting closer by the day but we still 1489 00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:39,420 have boots on the ground I'm still very 1490 00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,579 optimistic and new people that have been 1491 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:44,099 hiding for the last 18 plus years are 1492 00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:46,980 coming forward uh offering their their 1493 00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:50,400 help and I'm very confident that um 1494 00:57:54,650 --> 00:57:52,220 um further 1495 00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:54,660 details of this photographic evidence 1496 00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:56,760 will be revealed in the very very near 1497 00:57:59,690 --> 00:57:57,900 future 1498 00:58:01,549 --> 00:57:59,700 well I look forward to that in the 1499 00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:01,559 coming days this is going to go out on 1500 00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,619 the 31st of October uh which we are due 1501 00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,960 the unclassified UAP report by then from 1502 00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:08,940 Congress which I hear 1503 00:58:13,549 --> 00:58:11,819 um is likely to be delayed by a period 1504 00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:13,559 of time which is unknown at the moment 1505 00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:15,300 but it seems quite likely from what I'm 1506 00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:16,800 hearing it's going to be delayed so 1507 00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:20,220 fingers crossed that comes out ASAP we 1508 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,140 get the extra evidence that gets you 1509 00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:25,200 some extra views and rents and buys of 1510 00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,059 your product because moment of contact 1511 00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:28,920 folks really does deserve your time and 1512 00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,900 attention and also your money as well 1513 00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:32,700 it's very easy these days to go and find 1514 00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,859 free copies online but if you support 1515 00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,900 creators like James it lets them do what 1516 00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,640 they love and gets a great product out 1517 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:40,859 to you as well without the buffering and 1518 00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,040 shankiness and yeah people hey you know 1519 00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:46,079 I know some people look if I was 1520 00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:47,460 independently wealthy I would just give 1521 00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,140 it away for free believe me I'm not in 1522 00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,540 this for the money I never have been up 1523 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:53,280 until the phenomenon I would have been 1524 00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,040 made more flipping burgers but 1525 00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,859 um you know if 12 years of research of 1526 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,240 somebody else's time and a handful of 1527 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:02,400 other researchers is worth six bucks or 1528 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,540 20 bucks 1529 00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:06,000 great you know if you can afford it if 1530 00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:07,500 not I you know we're going to do 1531 00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,180 everything that we can to provide this 1532 00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,400 uh on on different streaming platforms 1533 00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,040 it'll be made available for free 1534 00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,160 um you know uh also is going to say if 1535 00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:19,200 you wouldn't mind if anyone's uh 1536 00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:21,299 wouldn't wouldn't mind taking the time 1537 00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:24,839 to to rate the film on Amazon or iTunes 1538 00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,200 uh it's tremendously helpful for for us 1539 00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:30,240 yeah please do that for James that would 1540 00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,619 mean a lot and if you go out and buy 1541 00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:33,480 this and we all buy it then maybe he'll 1542 00:59:38,089 --> 00:59:35,099 have the money to pay Chuck Clark for 1543 00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:38,099 that videotape one day and I'm already 1544 00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,660 I've already got a guy lined up to 1545 00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,760 borrow the 200k and he said to me you 1546 00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,680 better you need I need a still frame of 1547 00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:46,020 it for absolute 100 confirmation I said 1548 00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:49,140 I know that's in the caveat of when this 1549 00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:51,000 thing goes down is that oh that's that's 1550 00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:52,920 for the Virginia one yeah yeah that's 1551 00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,660 that's coming out we know that's we know 1552 00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:55,920 you're going to get that one we want the 1553 00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:57,180 chuck one as well though that's the 1554 01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,099 double a side isn't it for for the older 1555 01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:00,480 kids amongst us 1556 01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:02,220 um James just before you go 1557 01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:04,140 um all the links to just for people to 1558 01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,180 purchase moment of contact will be in 1559 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:08,720 the link for this podcast it's a 1560 01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:12,119 genie.us forward slash moment of contact 1561 01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,319 UM and it'll be there for you to click 1562 01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:15,480 on and purchase but just finally oh yeah 1563 01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,740 do you want to make a point one thing 1564 01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:18,540 people get upset that they don't mention 1565 01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,520 this because I keep forgetting but if 1566 01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:22,799 you do buy it get it from iTunes or 1567 01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:24,839 Vimeo because for the same price you get 1568 01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:27,180 like two hours of bonus material I was 1569 01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,140 going to say 1570 01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,200 yep yeah so it's iTunes Vimeo and they 1571 01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:33,599 offer all this extra content for no 1572 01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,579 extra charge yeah so if you bought it on 1573 01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,319 another platform what James is saying is 1574 01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,920 go and buy it on iTunes oh Vimeo as well 1575 01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:42,960 you get the extra content on top of it 1576 01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,579 um and James people will kill me if I 1577 01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:46,079 don't ask when is the phenomenon two 1578 01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:48,420 coming out 1579 01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,579 uh well I don't think I'd call it the 1580 01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,079 phenomenon too 1581 01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:55,440 but uh we're starting production on a 1582 01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:59,160 new film uh next week 1583 01:01:03,289 --> 01:01:01,619 am I crazy I must be nuts absolutely 1584 01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:03,299 crazy yeah because I felt bad asking 1585 01:01:07,549 --> 01:01:05,099 that question and just given that you're 1586 01:01:09,289 --> 01:01:07,559 literally in the the wake of releasing 1587 01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:09,299 uh your first one but I don't so much 1588 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:10,740 now because you're already going into 1589 01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:12,780 production on something else any clues 1590 01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:15,000 to what that's going to be on yet uh I'm 1591 01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,220 going after the evidence after the 1592 01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:23,210 yeah look forward to that coming out 1593 01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:24,359 James as always you've been very good 1594 01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:25,500 with your time so I'll let you get back 1595 01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:26,700 to what you're doing and we look forward 1596 01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:28,500 to speaking to you again 1597 01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:30,839 thank you thanks for having me on that 1598 01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,760 is all for this week's 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01:02:32,540 foreign 1613 01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:39,829 [Music] 1614 01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:56,990 because 1615 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:11,600 myself 1616 01:03:25,030 --> 01:03:20,850 [Music] 1617 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:27,289 you and me 1618 01:04:02,829 --> 01:03:36,090 [Music] 1619 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:10,590 what's that is saucer 1620 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:18,829 [Music] 1621 01:04:18,839 --> 01:04:24,010 IES 1622 01:04:55,570 --> 01:04:44,650 [Music] 1623 01:05:11,710 --> 01:04:55,580 thank you